Co to je

[Jana]

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foreign
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you know the playing field of what we're talking the concepts of what we're talking about
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um but to be clear what we're talking about isn't a concept
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which is in the end the difficulty is which is where the seeking comes from
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so what we're talking about it's very simple um this
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this is it I mean that this is it in every sense of the word
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every sense of that if this is it now
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you could say there's two this is there's a this
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as an object as as the experiencer of the room and the
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room itself so there's me and the experience of
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what's Happening that's that's like one reality it's
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illusory illusory so in a sense it's not even really happening
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and then there's what we're talking about here I guess we're talking about both of those but this is more
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suggesting that this is that which is
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long before so it is a table it is um pants or legs and a floor and a room
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but that is that which can't be known so there isn't nothingness out of which
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this comes there isn't a source of this there isn't somewhere else other than
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this this is that full stop that's the end of it
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now for that first reality of this being an object that is meaningless
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if there's nothing in it for it there's nothing in it there's no hope there's no
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meaning there's no purpose there's no becoming there's no intention
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and all of those things are necessary or feel to be necessary to that first
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reality of this this room as an object this room is an object the individual
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that experience feels like that this room as an object or this as an object
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objectified reality it's becoming so in this meeting it's become whatever
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whatever is being talked about it's going to find what we're suggesting it's
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going to realize something something needs to happen for this to be what the
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suggestion is that this is already never happens didn't happen here it'll
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never happen there it doesn't happen
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because the separation isn't real the experience that this is
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an object of reality isn't real it's only real to that subjective experience
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and that that's the suggestion anyway is an illusion this is the absolute
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this is fulfillment this is unconditional love
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it is that already
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yeah so that's sort of a baseline of Concepts
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and we can talk about that
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I mean I'll say as well the meeting isn't about imparting Concepts or clarifying the
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experience of the individual or becoming anything or getting rid of the separate experience there's absolutely no
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intention here or in the room it's all
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already completely fulfilled as it is without any need to be anything
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else
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and that includes that first reality there's nothing right or wrong with that either this isn't trying to change it
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that's that reality is that which can't be said that fulfillment the absolute as well
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huh yeah all right yeah
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so yesterday he said that when you recognize this
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that you felt no need to tell anybody about it yeah
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so why are you doing this yeah wow it's in the question that I didn't
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recognize this nobody recognizes this it wasn't actually something that
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happens to someone it's the end of something which never happened
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it's the end of the dream that there's that this is an objectified that
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so that's different we're talking to someone talking to
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anyone about it was like that's a whole different thing than what you're doing now
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I'm lost well you said that you had no need to tell
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anyone that things change yeah oh no well it's not that there's no
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need to tell anyone it's that there's nothing to say okay there's just nothing to say about
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it in a sense in a sense you could say words often have intention or speaking
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often has intention to change what is to become something else to inform that of
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something that this has so you would that would be sort of a teaching that this has something that doesn't and it's
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trying to show that that this sees that's not that's just not what this is
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this is just saying how it is already without any intention of having anybody see it or not
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there isn't any reason why that should or shouldn't it makes no difference whatsoever so in everything is that
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already it appears to change but it has no value
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so the experience of separation is exactly the same in that way as there
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being No Illusion of separation
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so why are you telling us that there's nothing to say
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that's pretty much so at the beginning I said there was a reality of of an
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objective background subject objective and I said that was a loser
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and another way you could say that is there is no you there is no line right and it isn't that
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the I becomes a no eye it's just that there never is an eye that's why the end
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of that is the end of something that never happened so there isn't anyone here telling you
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anything and there isn't anyone there asking
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so unless you're actually being physically threatened you don't if you don't feel
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any fear or worry or anything like that it's not really about what emotions arise
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it's that whatever happens doesn't happen for anyone or whatever happens is
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that already but what about the fearfulness that the individual lives in I feel terrified
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sitting here like this somehow threatens me not the message just everything I feel like genuinely feels threatened by
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everything in this Rouge yeah I know that might sound dramatic but that's it does you know
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but all this is saying is that's it as well that's all that's being said
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it's really simple foreign
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but that individual is only real to itself yeah yeah in other words when the
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eye collapses can be the illusion can't be seen the
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illusion cannot be seen well I mean in a in a way so here when it when it when it
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melted it was seen to melt yeah yeah what I'm talking about cannot be seen
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other individuals oh definitely well there aren't any yeah I know oh right okay oh that's what you mean yeah no
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there aren't any it's only real to itself that's right yeah this is the appearance of an individual
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or the implication it feels like an implication like it's implied but it's not there well it's not for the for the individual
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it's the only experience I am everything is real to me right so it's not implied
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it's the experience yeah Jim would you talk about the absolute
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yeah kind of clarify uh because the word absolute has a lot of connotations and
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I'm assuming it's just what is that's yeah absolutely no more than that that's
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right well what is to the individual is the objective with the perception okay a
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now something to be in or not be in whereas what what the suggestion is is
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there isn't anything other than that yeah absolutely
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would you say the perception of the individual is also the absolute as well
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absolutely but but the difficulty is it it then has the
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experience of Separation these variants of the individual is that there's something that needs to happen
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this has intention it has meaning and purpose and it's up to me to fulfill it
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and that's illusory that comes out of the illusory experience that this is real that it's happening to me that I'm
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real separation is a thorn right so when for
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um the phrase when the eye collapses but then it doesn't really collapse now because there really isn't dead that's
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right yeah yeah because what did di be recognizing
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now excuse me what if the eye do you recognizing that collapse I mean it's it becomes like a well there isn't an eye
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right oh that's what you mean yeah exactly okay there's nothing to realize
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right right yeah well it's not a realization
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the end of me isn't a realization or it's difficult to say but the seating of
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this is that isn't a realization it's the end of an experience that hid
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this as that
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is there anything you could say about separation yeah
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what was you like doing really I don't know it's it's it's discontent
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well yeah that's yeah separation is a sense of discontent the sense of
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something needing to happen
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experience no talk about it about what
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is it pretty oh well yeah I mean it's quite I mean I know all about separation
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about the experience of Separation about you know the function of the individual
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um how it what it needs how it's just in a constant wheel of need of looking for better
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experiences how if something good happens it holds on to it you know about just all of that I mean you know we
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could talk for quite a while oh that's the separation that's something of the separation object the
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person that is the separation yeah yeah that's all that's the only
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separation there is not that I did sing onto it felt good it's
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yeah I could see that separation I don't want to lose it that's right yeah
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well the separation of function is is that the function of separation is or
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the individual is seeking
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which includes meaning and purpose intention need
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the sense of volition becoming
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well what about um you know there's a lot of anxiety
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yeah or you know oops excuse me or uh you know like just a lot of people
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around yeah does that go away it's that's not what we're talking about we're not talking about a better
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experience so there's still feelings of well
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there's feelings but they don't happen for anyone but that's not really what we're talking
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about I mean it's an aspect of it what we're saying is that everything that appears is that which is longed for
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already okay
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yeah no it's not it's not it's not helpful no
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yeah people sorry people approach this message in your experience
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you feel better oh it's different there's like I used to say there were two now it
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seems like there's three categories the ones the ones that are looking for something right and they'll get up and scream at
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me and leave um because there's nothing on offered and then there's the ones that are open
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there's a Readiness for something Beyond getting something more for themselves
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um and and then I think the larger category is a mixture of those two the ones that would would really like to get
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something but there's something else that is really happy that nothing is being done there's a hearing of something Beyond getting something
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foreign
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experiences you know I go around and they come and go yeah and then you know I take all the
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different rides in the amusement park whatever it is from my personal thing and there's a sense of that here that
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it's not or when we gather together like this there's a sense of that it's not
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for me yeah it's not another experience in a way yeah something underneath yeah
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yeah and that's for me it's relieved yeah yeah I don't have to find anything in it
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yeah yeah
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um I'm curious what your thoughts are have any sort of potentially adapted to
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life without that book yeah in terms of the relationship between learning and
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that sort of egoic sense of
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it's too much for me I don't I don't know I don't know that there has been much of a difference in that there's a
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relaxation about it all so I guess learning would be easier than that so they wouldn't be the sense of getting it
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right or wrong or that someone was getting it right or wrong and then that mattered so that might be at ease about
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that does that answer your question yeah yeah yeah yes I'm um
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for my own personal experience of how that how the brain sort of you know
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functions doing that you know sort of Fitness produced effect of learning of really
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you know Concepts living it together yeah and uh whether or not that
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gets better or worse yeah yeah yeah I guess for every every body it might be
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different but I imagine the you know the ease about it might make learning easier
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okay is it because there's no motivation for fulfillment in it uh well yeah or the
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need to become yeah yeah the need for it to get it right
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so there's there's two things going on you know this is a story but there's sort of the Natural Way of the body you
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know how it moves how it talks preferences and those sorts of things and the separate experience is an
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imposition on that and so it um it tries to modulate everything control
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everything and um so it would depend upon how influential
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that is on the natural weighing of being the natural way the body is as to what
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would it would be like when that was no longer happening
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and so how was it oh it was amazing it was amazing yeah
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yeah no it's not really worth mentioning
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[Music] the me is looking for something spectacular the me that separate
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experience this isn't a judgment right but it's very special
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and especially itself is the most important of all the specialness around and so it has an idea of what needs to
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happen for um for that for what it thinks this is
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talking about so it has huge expectations for what
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this is talking about and so it's very readily accepts really big buildings and people with funny hats
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and all those things because it feels like that that that that you know jives with this expectation
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where do those expectations come from the censor just said the sense of specialness
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do you think culture though also oh well it can it'll have an effect on
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how that specialness is you know displayed so in India you let your fingernails go
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through your hand and in the west you wear a funny hat and live in a big building
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but then also not necessarily just like the trappings of that position or
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whatever but also the subjective experience like oh I'm gonna be
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extraordinarily calm in all situations oh totally yeah yeah I'm going to have
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psychic power that's right yeah yeah where does that kind of stuff come need
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the need to be special and what about also like the end of suffering as well like complete Edward
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stuff what about it well that's the experience that suffering is personal and that the only way to find relief
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would be for it to end as opposed to as to end there being no one suffering yeah
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everything is personalized and so even what we're talking about is objectified that's exactly how it remains hidden
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because the individual makes an object not not as a choice but as a function it
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is the subject to the object of reality and so as a function it makes an object
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of even what's being said here although what's being said here is the objective reality illusory and it objectifies that
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so would you say that suffering still exists but it just doesn't matter it depends when they Define suffering I
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Define suffering and seeking and so in that way suffering doesn't seem to happen they're seeking ends
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seeking for something different well seeking in this in the way I'm talking about it is
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in the individual it's seeking a better experience so whatever's happening it's it's never there's just not enough this
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isn't enough whatever it is it's just not enough even if it's a good experience there's a need
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to hold on to that experience and consider not enough or should be
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different are those symptoms yeah yeah yeah yeah more
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of us more yeah
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so evident in little kids you know oh yeah because they want one
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thing and the moment they got it it's about five minutes it's fine and then they want the next thing and then the next thing the next thing
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even though there's no one there having an experience or there or there right
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yeah or here yeah yeah is can you give Sora some examples
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from your apparent life of like let's say conflict comes into your experience yeah like how would it be
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different for the Innovative and experiencing it versus like do you know what I'm saying I do okay yeah
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and it doesn't matter okay okay
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[Laughter]
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it's a conflict no nor does the difference matter yeah
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that's a bit of a rabbit hole that the individual throws up because it wants to know what it's like
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and and the problem with that is this is what it's like
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but this isn't enough no it is in a way in a way in one sense
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you could say yes but another way absolutely not because there isn't the individual has
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the experience of being in a Continuum of experience and so it projects on
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what's being said here is that it's a better Continuum of experience but it's just no longer a Continuum of experience
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and that's meaningless to the individual yeah so the end of suffering isn't a
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continual experience but this is the absolute isn't the Continuum experience there's no one here isn't a continual
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experience it's just that there's no one nobody knows that
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no one knows this is the absolute unconditional life
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sure so if there's no intention there to show anyone anything why would you well there's no intention there either
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but even the intention is intentionless it has no no value whatsoever it's
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freedom of hearing as intentions
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like the the difference doesn't matter and all this stuff yeah yeah but there's just a responses yeah just what happens
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and I don't do it in the same way that that doesn't ask questions
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it still seems to me like there would need to be an intention in order for response to happen because so the
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solidity that we were talking about I didn't actually mention solidity but the objectification you could say it's a
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solidity a reality that there's a reality this the individual is a reality
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and the the room is a reality two different realities that is so that is
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the the individual seeing itself really so the individual sees itself as everything
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and so what that's doing is if there's an individual there it sees the individual here and because the
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individual has the experience of intention that everything only happens because I have intention and because I
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have free will and choice then that must be What's Happening Here it has no idea what it that this is already intentions
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even the experience of intention so it's one big projection
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it well it's not a projection it's an experience
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but you said something about on that end it was like through and
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everyone in it there's no objectification on that end well there's no one objectifying every everything
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is already that there's no one okay no
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the problem is that the individual can only imagine in its own experience totally yeah
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so everything that it's imagined is confined by its own limitations I just have to I'm not being pedantic but
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that's not really a problem the problem for the individual is that there isn't one [Laughter]
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it's all already that how do you fix that
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that is Jeff would you say to Any teacher about
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it teaches how the person who teaches to a person is still living yeah it seems it
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would seemed like it it wouldn't make any sense otherwise
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I mean it makes an assumption that there's there's a real individual with Free Will and choice and that
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foreign that is separate that which is longing
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for is somehow separate those are part of they would have to be part of the teacher including the experience for the
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teacher that they know something that they could tell you yeah yeah and all that's part of the illusion none of that's true
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I've heard some teachers talk about like creations of teachings like you know this person's not ready to hear this
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message right what do you have to say about that
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laughs that's the eloquent answer
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[Music] well that it has something to do with
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the individual that the individual there's a relationship between the experience of an individual or the
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intensity of the experienced individual and this being that already that there's a relationship and there
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isn't
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it's kind of all we're saying is there isn't a relationship it's all that already
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and there's no such thing as relationship if there's no individual right yeah
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foreign
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that kind of shocked me a bit because what you're saying is there's no
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intention for that to become anything it's just what it is it's not that this doesn't have any intention it's that
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this doesn't happen so the individual experiences is an
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illusion right because everything is already without intention
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in my experience that I have an internship without any intention so it's just nothing advising us the feeling
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that there's an interception yeah
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it's the intention itself is in presence of I believe yeah it does yeah
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foreign
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foreign
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er every individual is a Seeker every separate experience seeks
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did you seek out specific experiences in the past every individual seeks out specific
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experiences they can't do anything but everything that happens in that separate experience
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is part of seeking because the experience of separation is throughout the it's a need a sense of need that's
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actually cellular
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Falls away yeah
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well apparently because it doesn't really happen nothing really happens
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this doesn't become that because it's a separate experience fell Falls away
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and this was a very fast condition and this wasn't any past petition
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it wasn't the past condition that became this right yeah well it became that
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everything is that so there isn't any there isn't anything that isn't already that when I say that
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I'm talking about what can't be objectified we can't be known but what's wrong
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that's that's that that's
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Jim why do you think this message is only 30 years ago he's only 30 years old well
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I put a bit of a caveat in there and that's in the Purity that it's being
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expressed because really in the Bible and everywhere else you can find sort of
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hints or even direct statements of this it just is then there's some concessions
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made to the Seeker as well why do you think anybody no I mean you come up with a theory that
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um there wasn't anybody to hear it back then and so now there is and maybe people try
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people try to share this message back in the day but there's nobody who's ready to hear well you that wouldn't make
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sense actually because who would care this doesn't care if anyone hears this
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or not there's absolutely no investment at all if this is heard if anybody comes to the meetings or not doesn't make any
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difference no one here is that being no one here
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and 20 people here is that being 20 people here it's the same it's a little hard financially if nobody
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comes but but other than that
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so what was the reference to 30 years ago no there's a there's a man named
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Tony Parsons um who would you say was the father or
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grandfather of this radical or I like the word pure non-dualism
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and it's never been not in the way it's been talked about I just don't know about it that it's been taught in this
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sort of uncompromising um way without any any acknowledgment on
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any level of a separate individual that could find
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um this as that
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um
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uh it's something other than me not for me the meat doesn't long for this
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yes
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I wonder if uh maybe you could talk about the Scenic influence that individuality has
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on this because it is that but at the same time
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it seems to play a role in the actions yeah
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well I mean one thing you can see that's quite clear is how angry everybody is
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and that's a frustration of not being able to find what they want the whole world seems to be agitated
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more and more agitated more and more frustrated with the lack of being able
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to get enough satisfaction
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seems like all of the modern social structures want you to chase you back
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well it's the other way around really it's the the sense of something missing that creates the social structures
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that to encourage that try to fulfill what's being chased
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but then you're saying that is also that oh of course there's not like because you say that then it almost feels like
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therapy sense of like oh it'd be good if there wasn't so much pain no absolutely not absolutely not not only that but
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there isn't a world foreign
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is there an oscillation no some people will talk about it'll oscillate they'll
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say it's all this and then and then there's the me sort of they'll say comes back
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and they go back right well um what's obvious is that with the
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recognition by no point is that right that all there is is that
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the me would be that as well so where is the oscillation yeah I got it yeah that
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works yeah
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um
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oscillation um oh
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um I don't remember what was it well I said a couple of speakers
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um oh God yeah got it got it um the when this is recognized by no one
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that everything is that that which can't be known that includes me and anything I have to
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experience of separation or anything else so there wouldn't be any oscillation because everything is already there
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oscillation must be a personal experience
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but the sense of being someone doesn't come back there no well there never was anyone
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there's nothing to come back yeah but there's apparent side effects come out but it all is irrelevant
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but it would be impossible for those like you described in this outcroppings but like side effects are for me to come
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back for that body wouldn't it things like seeking it was never there see there's not a there's not a an end of me
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there's the end of the dream of something that never happened
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yeah but certain things have stopped haven't they maybe like seeking for example that hasn't happened since
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what you described as the recognize recognition by no one yeah
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yeah there's no mercy now I was just wondering if aspects
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about my experience could still arise there well there isn't to me there never wasn't me
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you're going to try to find a point that you can put a crowbar into and sort of wedge your way in and the thing is is
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that everything is already done and this isn't about the differences although there might be differences but no one
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would know what they are
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no one would know what they are so what you mean is whatever arises there it's not seen as part of anything right it
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just arise it's just that all right so no one's there to look at it and go on like because I will look at certain
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things well it's more than it's not that no one's there to look it's literally it doesn't matter
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the the individual is is it can't do anything else this isn't a judgment it's
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just what it does everything that happens it picks it up it can't differentiate it picks up everything and
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analyzes it looking for the answer looking for a better or worse or looking for knowing or looking for an experience
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looking for a realization everything thoughts feelings anything it's doing it all the time and that's the experience
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of knowing who I am or where I am and finding out what I need to find or making my life better and that that's
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just part of that separate experience that something is hidden and it needs to be found Yeah by me through my volition
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and so the idea is that if that weren't happening if that me fell away that
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there would be somebody who knew there wasn't all this stuff going on and there isn't
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it it's just not because it doesn't matter yeah one of the things I'm always doing
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might certainly arises well not everything but there's certain things that arise that I clearly think are part
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of the experience because then they were part of the new experience because oh yeah since those things were gone oh
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yeah me is trying to figure it out all the time it's trying to work it out
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yeah as though it mattered as though it's going to think its way or
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experience its way out of the separate experience know its way realize its way out of
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these separate experience yes trying to use thinking as a toolter yet oh yeah
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changes their perception changes their perception I mean other than everything having a Golden Glow

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Tohle setkání je odpovědí. Nepřichází to od někad, že by se to snažilo, aby se něco stalo. Je to odpověď na energii, která říká, nebo prohlašuje, že tohle co se děje, je poznatelné. Že tohle dění je skutečné. Že to, co se děje, se děje mně. A odpověď na tohle prohlášení, na tu zkušenost, kterou to poznání je, je NE TO NENÍ. Konec. Takže to prohlášení, ten zážitek, že tohle je skutečné a děje se to mně, tak tahle zpráva říká, že je to iluzorní.

Takže co je tohle? To nelze říci. Není žádná pozice mimo všechno, aby bylo možné říci, co všechno je. Není ani věc pojmenovaná "všechno". Takže popis tohohle, nejlépe jak může být řečen je ... zní to jako paradox...zní to jako nesmysl...takže tohle by použilo slova jako absolutno, nekonečno, nepoznatelno, živost. Slova, která nejde definovat. Lze to říci i tak, že co je zde sdíleno, ta zpráva, není pro vás. Jestli jste sem přišli něco hledat, budete velmi zklamaní. Ve skutečnosti nakonec je možné říci, že to je skutečně dobrá zpráva, protože není co najít, není co ztratit, nic se skutečně nestalo, nic nešlo špatně, nic nikdy nepůjde správně, je to jednoduše co se jeví. Je to svobodné, bez intence, bez potřeby se jevící naplnění. A to zahrnuje všechno. Zahrnuje to zážitek nebo poznání, kterým tahle zpráva odpovídá. Takže není nic mimo všechno.

A kam to míří je, že pozice vědomí, která říká "tohle se děje mně" a vše co se zdánlivě děje a co to znamená nebo neznamená, je iluzorní. Je to iluzorní v absolutním a kompletním smyslu natolik, že když se to přestane dít, nikdy se to nestalo. Takže se to neděje. Neděje se to. Není žádný proces, jak to zastavit. Není žádná potřeba konkrétního zážitku nebo čehokoli, co by mělo odpadnout, aby tu bylo ne-já, nebo nějaký druh vhledu nebo porozumění - to není, o čem se tu bavíme. O čem se tu bavíme je, že "tohle" se jevící je kompletnost se jevící, úplnost se jevící, bezpodmínečná láska se jevící. To je ono, to je vše. Je to velmi jednoduché.

Jim Newman

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Tomu se říká snová realita, relativní realita, mája, iluze oddělenosti...

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Zbývá to, co je již zjevně vším: TOTO.

Tvá existence není od ničeho oddělena jako existence individuality. Toto je Absolutno, Jsoucno, to, čemu říkají Bůh, jediné pravé Já, bezpodmínečná Láska.

Je to bezprostřední a všeobjímající. Neexistuje žádná vzdálenost, prostor nebo oddělení od absolutního, od toho, co se děje, od naslouchání, vidění, pokoje. Není tam žádná vzdálenost. Cokoli se děje, je vším, je absolutní. Nikdy nejsou dva.

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27:50 JN: "... není to něco, co by to mělo být, je to tohle, jako všechno, jak to už je, tak je to už doma, to už je hotové, tohle už je dokonalé, tohle už je ráj."

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Otázka: Proč a jak lidé přišli s meditací?

Odpověď: No řekl bych, že ze zoufalství. To je jediný důvod, který mě napadá. Prostě jen nevěděli co dělat se svými já, takže vymysleli něco, co je zabaví, nebo je na chvíli uklidní. Tím meditace v podstatě je. Nemůžu vystát vlastní přítomnost, němůžu se dát do skříně, nikde odložit, tak musím něco dělat, něco se sebou (smích), nemůžu jen ležet a nic nedělat, musím meditovat (smích). Samozřejmě veškeré duchovno, veškeré hledání, vychází ze zoufalství. Z neschopnosti prostě jen být přítomný, což samozřejmě nikdo nemůže, neříkám, že by někdo měl nebo mohl. Nevidím jiný důvod pro meditaci (smích), nebo pro jinou činnost.

Nebo možná to vlastně vymysleli nějací chytří lidé, kteří něco nechtěli dělat, a ostatní, rodina atd. jim říkali, aby něco dělali, pracovali - a oni jim na to odpovídali: ó ne, není to tak, že bychom nedělali nic, my meditujeme (smích), a ti druzí pak říkali: ahá, tak přijďte, až skončíte (smích).

Otázka: Dobře, ale ti co přichází z budhistické, nebo hinduistické tradice a jejichž já je pryč, jak mohou stále doporučovat meditaci?

Odpověď: Neznám nikoho, u koho bych mohl říct: "ano, to je tato zpráva", že by doporučoval meditaci. Neznám ani jednoho, kdo by dokázal pokračovat v této iluzi. Takže je spousta takzvaných učitelů, nebo přednášejících o nedualitě u kterých nevím, jak si říkají, kteří doporučují nějaké metody, ale tam není žádné spojení s touto zprávou. Ne proto, že by doporučovali nějaké metody, ale prostě ta celá energie je jiná, zdánlivě takže...

Otázka: Knižní série "Konverzace s bohem" od Neil Donalda Walsche, co si o ní myslíš?

Odpověď: Fantazie. Je to pohádka. Hezká fantazie. Znovu, nevidím žádné spojení s touto zprávou. Ale abych byl upřímný, četl jsem jen kousky, ale... Nevidím žádné spojení všech osobních učení a osobních zpráv s touto zprávou. Na konci je všechno jen co se zdánlivě děje, ale jedno je prostě ve snu o osobě a druhé vůbec sen nerozeznává. A vtipná věc je, že samozřejmě osoba... pardon, musím tu pronést určitou řeč... takže tahle zpráva, nebo já, nebo Tony jsou často obviňováni z toho, že chtějí být zvláštní, že chce stát vně a říkat "my nejsme součástí toho", ve skutečnosti každé učení prohlašuje, že je zvláštní. O čem mluvíme zde, je velmi obyčejné a nerozeznává to žádnou zvláštnost a není ani žádná zvláštnost skrz zadní dvířka, která by byla nepochopením. Není to zvláštní tím, že to není zvláštní. (smích) Takže tak to není myšleno. Ale samozřejmě každé učení to předpokládá. Každé učení křičí: dělej tohle, následuj mě, tohle je odpověď, tady je zvláštní metoda, tady je zvláštní technika, tady je zvláštní cesta k tvému zvláštnímu naplnění. Takže samozřejmě o čem mluvíme tady vypadá velmi odlišně a vypadá to, jako by se to záměrně oddělovalo od všech učení. Ve skutečnosti to tak není myšleno. Učení, učitelé, následníci a hledači to dělají sami. Oni říkají: "my jsme oddělení a na zvláštní cestě a my jsme výjimeční a guru je výjimečný a metoda je výjimečná." Ne-li posvátná, nebo cokoli. V tom smyslu je všechno posvátné. Sezení tady, sezení na záchodě, příliš myšlení, to všechno se zdánlivě děje.

Otázka: Myslíš, že potřebujeme iluzi zážitku jedince, abychom mohli něco zažívat?

Odpověď: To je stejná věc. Zážitek jedince je zažívání, iluze zažívání. A není to potřeba. Prostě to není potřeba. Je to sen. Neděje se to a není to potřeba. Samozřejmě jedinec si přidává tuhle umělou hodnotu myslíce si, že je to důležité, že já zažívám a jaký by byl svět beze mě zažívajícího svět? Co by vesmír dělal beze mě, který ho zažívá? Jak by mohl být šťastný, kdybych já nezažíval jeho rozlehlost? Takže zažívání je sen a není vůbec potřeba.

Otázka: Myslím, že pokud přicházíš z budhismu a posledních 30 let jsi meditoval a jednoho dne já zmizí, tak předpokládáš, že to mělo něco do činění se vší tou přípravou.

Odpověď: Ne, vůbec ne. Vůbec ne. Protože osvobození je odhalení, že není nikdo na cestě a že zcela jistě, zcela jistě to nemá nic společného s hledáním, které bylo před tím, jinak by to nebylo osvobození. Takže pokud je osvobození a pak pokračuje myšlení, že se to stalo proto, že jste dělali to, a to, a to, pak by to nebylo osvobození. Omlouvám se. O tom není diskuse (smích). Ne, protože osvobození je přesně odhalení, že hledání a dynamika hledání je tou jedinou iluzí, která držela já uvězněné v tom bytí já. Takže bych řekl, že to je nemožné.

Andreas Müller

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