NONDUALISMUS

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NONDUALISMUS NEBERE ŽÁDNÉ VĚZNĚ


Dotazování: • Proč jsem tady? Jaký je účel a smysl života? Co se stane, když zemřu? Jak najdu štěstí, mír, naplnění?
Na tyto otázky každý člověk odpověděl tak či onak s nadějí a vírou. Vymyšlená budoucnost. Některé z těchto samoúčelných odpovědí lze vidět v náboženství, víře, vyšším vědomí, Vyšším Já s velkým S, znalostem osvícení a znalostem mimo jiné jmen.

Každá zdánlivá odpověď ukazuje na zvláštní „co bude“, nikdy ne na obyčejný originál, co je . To, co bude, se také nazývá hledání.

Všechny zdánlivé odpovědi směřují od toho, co je, a potvrzují realitu tazatele a jeho otázek. Toto zdánlivé potvrzení otázky, a tedy tazatele, nedává jedinci – tazateli – štěstí, klid a naplnění, které hledá. Na žádnou z otázek neexistuje odpověď, protože tazatel je iluze . Hledání a vzhled jedince v těle je totéž.

Osoba je konstrukt, kontrakce, centrum psychického oblaku nevědomí, všeho. Středem, následnou interakcí je člověk a jeho iluzorní život smyslu a účelu. Výsledkem je nutně hledání naděje, smyslu a účelu. Hledání je hledáním odpovědi na problém sám o sobě.

Hledání je naprosto beznadějné.

SEPARACE • Oddělený smysl je na misi, hledá nemožné, aby poznal konec sebe sama, konec strachu ze smrti, konec odloučení. Neduální realita. V tomto hledání vždy selže. Situace pro pocit sebe sama je zcela beznadějná. Stejně jako jeho úsilí ovládat svůj život opakováním příjemného a vyhýbáním se bolestnému, což je jednoduchý popis celého jeho života. Neexistuje svobodná vůle – to je další iluze.
Dobrá zpráva je, že nic takového jako rozchod neexistuje. To, co hledá samostatný pocit já, je vše, co existuje. Existuje pouze to. Tento. To není konkrétní nebo exkluzivní. Všechno je přesně tak, jak to je. Vše je výrazem celistvosti, vše je koncem pocitu oddělenosti, který oddělený smysl hledá, ale při pohledu může oddělený smysl pouze registrovat něco, konkrétní.

Když je tato realita rozpoznána, je vidět, že neexistuje žádné oddělení, že pocit oddělení byl prostě sen, že se to nikdy nestalo, neexistuje a nikdy nebylo oddělené já v celku všeho. Vše v ráji je dokonalé a kompletní. Ale nic se nemění, protože k rozchodu nikdy nedošlo. Podobu už neinformuje hledání konce strachu ze smrti a neurotické výběžky toho hledání, ale všechno je stále, všechno. Bez pátrání je nepoznatelný zázrak, že to, co je, může být, jen že se to zdá, tichá úžasnost, která je tou bezvýznamnou bezúčelnou explozí všeho, která je anarchií lásky. Absolutní svoboda, která se jeví jako cokoliv.

Při sdílení to může být rozpoznáno, rezonovat s tím. Někdy se objeví registrace, že je to nepopiratelné, i když neexistuje žádné uznání, prostě osvěžující pochopení , které jako by někde odzvonilo a svěrací kazajka „já“ se může uvolnit nebo dokonce úplně spadnout.

Protože poselství je, že není nic k nalezení , je to již toto, oddělený pocit já nemá žádnou roli v rozpoznání. Buď existuje neosobní ochota, nebo není.

To, toto, je všechno, zcela neosobní a nemá nic společného s tím, co cítí nebo co si myslí oddělený smysl.

NON DUALISMUS staví na hlavu způsob, jakým si člověk normálně myslí osvícení a spiritualitu. Nedualita je revoluce. Jednoduchost sdělení je naprosto nepopiratelná. Odhaluje, že hledání osvícení je samo o sobě pokračováním a potvrzením odloučení.
Nedualita je popis toho, co nelze popsat, proto negativní ne. Nebo co není, nejsou dva. „Dva“, na které se poukazuje, jsou všechny protiklady existence, vnímání nebo základ pro zkušenost.

Je zřejmé, že existuje zkušenost a vnímání, takže co je „ ne dva “? A proč se to nedá říct? „Ne dva“ poukazuje na skutečnost, že vnímání a prožívání dvou není tím, čím se zdá být. Zkušenost se zdá být základem toho, co je. Nedualita tuto skutečnost uznává, ale říká, že vnímání a zkušenost jsou zkreslené, výlučné, zkušenostmi s tím, co je osobní.

Zkušenost být osoboumá za následek proměnu veškeré zkušenosti, že je osobní. To, co se děje, se děje mně. To zakrývá realitu, že zkušenost, která není duální povahy, je ve skutečnosti prázdná. To se mi neděje, jen se to děje.

Jak se to stane? Zkušenost být osobou je výsledkem toho, že tělo je prožíváno jako centrum toho, co se děje. Tato zkušenost být středem má na sobě gravitaci nebo tlak. Ve skutečnosti je gravitace nebo tlak prostě pocit, který se děje, bez nároku na střed nebo na to, že je osobní, má příchuť „tady“. Tlak zde podněcuje nepravdivé tvrzení, že tato gravitace nebo tlak je osobní, že znamená střed. Tento předpoklad nebo nepravdivé tvrzení je začátkem osoby a osobního příběhu. To mění neosobní vše nebo to, co se zdánlivě děje, když je zjevně méně středem: toto se děje „mně“, centru.

Důsledkem předpokladu „já“ je osobní příběh. Tento předpoklad nebo nepravdivé tvrzení je reakcí. Reakcí je také celý osobní život, který z tohoto falešného tvrzení plyne. Reakce na reakci na reakci... Reakce, která sama sebe vnímá jako příčinu. Jako příčina předpokládá svobodnou vůli a volbu, smysl a účel.

Samozřejmě svobodná vůle a volba stejně jako smysl a účel mají smysl pouze tehdy, když je člověk příčinou, jako reakce jsou nesmyslné.

Tato iluze osobního, iluze oddělené osoby , která skrývá skutečnost, že to, co se zdánlivě děje, nejsou ve skutečnosti „dva“, je neosobní vystupování jako osobní. Nadčasovost objevující se jako čas. Tato iluze, která se definuje zkušeností, skrývá skutečnost, že zkušenost jako základ všeho je prázdná. Že poznání – například já jsem – není příčinou, ale reakcí, která skrývá skutečnost, že žádné „já“ nebo „jsem“ neexistuje.

Neexistuje žádná skutečná příčina a co je, není výsledek. Známé je zdání. Vzhled je tím, čím je, ale není tím, čím se zdá být. Dokud je vzhled vnímán jako výlučně skutečný, je považován za něco, co není. Co je, je prázdné. Veškerý vzhled je prázdný.

„Co je“ není logické, není závěr. Nedá se to popsat, protože se to nedá s ničím jiným srovnat. Vzhled je popsatelný, to „není“ je nepopsatelné. Protože co je, je současné „je“ a „není“, nelze to popsat. Ačkoli to, co je, nelze popsat, zdá se, že vyvstávají slova: ráj, dokonalý, úžasný, čistý, svobodný, absolutní, nekonečný, láska.


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Shrnutí Jim Newman – NON DUALITY – únor 2024 / USA New York

00: 00 : 00–01:00 :00
Newman rozlišuje touhu od chtění a vysvětluje, že setkání, o kterém mluví, je spíše reakcí na touhu po celistvosti nebo svobodě než na touhu po něčem více. Zdůrazňuje, že celistvost či svoboda už je a nelze ji získat ani změnit. Newman také diskutuje o konceptu všeho, co je iluzí, včetně pocitu individuálního vlastnictví a existence věcí. Tvrdí, že neexistuje žádná objektivní realita a že objektivní a subjektivní je totéž. Newman zdůrazňuje, že tato perspektiva nevyžaduje odpoutanost nebo lhostejnost k utrpení, ale spíše uznává, že nikdo není ovlivněn. Celkově vzato Newmanovo poselství zpochybňuje představu individuality a stresu, který s ní přichází, a povzbuzuje jednotlivce, aby uznali iluzorní povahu odloučení a touhy.

01:00:00 – 01:25:00
Newman zkoumá různé koncepty související s nedualitou, včetně iluzorní povahy oddělení, propojenosti všech věcí a dokonalosti vesmíru. Vyjadřuje frustraci ze společenských norem a jazyka, které vytvářejí pocit oddělenosti, a povzbuzuje posluchače, aby opustili potřebu kontroly. Newman také pojednává o rozdílu mezi staženými a nestaženými stavy vědomí, přičemž zdůrazňuje, že neexistuje žádný skutečný rozdíl a že vše se jeví absolutně. Vybízí k otevřenosti k poznání, že neexistuje žádné oddělení nebo individuální já a že vše, včetně utrpení, potvrzuje celistvost a úplnost vesmíru. Newman se také dotýká důležitosti humoru a otevřenosti při hledání porozumění a neustálé přítomnosti božství ve všech věcech.

01:00:00 Newman pojednává o konceptu oddělení a roli smyslů v našem vnímání reality. Naznačuje, že neexistuje žádná závislost na smyslech, aby se věci objevily, a bez nich by stále existoval zážitek. Newman vyjadřuje frustraci ze společenských norem a násilí jazyka, které, jak věří, zbavuje věcí „nesprávnosti“. Dotýká se také myšlenky, že svoboda není něco, co lze nalézt ve vzhledu, ale je to zkušenost, která již existuje. Newman zdůrazňuje, že nic není pro nikoho a že o potřeby je postaráno, i když to tak nevypadá. Sdílí anekdotu o někom, kdo hledá radu ohledně jejich vztahu a jak pohled na rozlehlost vesmíru pomohl uvést věci do perspektivy. Celkově Newman povzbuzuje posluchače, aby opustili pocit oddělení a potřebu kontroly, protože vše, co se děje, není od nás oddělené.

01:05:00 V této části videa Jim Newman pojednává o konceptu individuálního vědomí a o hlubokém efektu uvědomění si vzájemné propojenosti všech věcí. Vysvětluje, že když jednotlivci rozpoznají celistvost existence, může to vést ke ztrátě kontrakce, přesvědčení a změkčení věcí. Newman také zmiňuje, že různé techniky, jako je meditace a duchovní praktiky, mohou pomoci jednotlivcům otevřít se tomuto uvědomění. Zdůrazňuje však, že svoboda není něco, čeho lze dosáhnout individuálním úsilím, ale je již přítomná a k nepoznání. Rozhovor se také dotýká výzev při komunikaci takových konceptů a důležitosti otevřenosti a humoru při hledání porozumění.

01:10:00 Newman diskutuje o konceptu neexistence já a iluzi oddělenosti. Vysvětluje, že neexistuje žádné centrum nebo individuální já a že pocit oddělenosti vytváří odstup a nespokojenost. Newman tvrdí, že není nikdo, kdo by se mohl vrátit do stavu osvícení, protože na začátku neexistuje žádné já. Sdílí také svůj pohled na myšlenku záblesků pravdy a omezení jazyka při předávání takových zkušeností. Newman zdůrazňuje, že když není nikdo přítomen, neexistuje žádný kontrast nebo znalost diskutovaných konceptů a že touha po učení nebo příběhu je základním aspektem lidské povahy.

01:15:00 „Jim Newman hovoří o rozdílu mezi staženými a nestaženými stavy vědomí. Tvrdí, že mezi těmito stavy není žádný skutečný rozdíl, protože oba jsou absolutně zjevné. Kritizuje také některé učitele za to, že dělají ústupky iluzi oddělenosti, což může přilákat větší publikum. Zdůrazňuje, že otevřenost vůči něčemu, co přesahuje jednotlivce, je zásadní a že tuto otevřenost nelze nijak ovlivnit. Také objasňuje, že toto setkání není o rozbití sebe sama nebo o cestě k neodloučení, ale spíše o poznání, že odloučení od začátku nikdy nebylo. Vybízí k opuštění myšlenky, že to, co se děje, by mělo být jiné nebo lepší, a zdůrazňuje, že být jednotlivcem může být vyčerpávající kvůli potřebě činit rozhodnutí. Řečník také tvrdí, že neexistuje žádné lidství, protože vše je jen absolutní zdání.

01:20:00 Jim Newman mluví o konceptu dokonalosti a úplnosti ve všech věcech, bez ohledu na utrpení nebo zdánlivé chaos. Zdůrazňuje, že pro dosažení tohoto již existujícího a neměnného stavu nejsou žádné předpoklady. Newman také vysvětluje, že vše, včetně utrpení, potvrzuje celistvost a úplnost vesmíru. Vybízí k otevřenosti této perspektivě a zdůrazňuje, že přesahuje vnímání a zahrnuje vše, co se objeví. Řečník se také dotýká myšlenky neustálé přítomnosti božství ve všech věcech, které není oddělené od světa, jak jej vnímáme.

01:25:00 V této části videa Newman diskutuje o konceptu oddělenosti a myšlence, že vše je naprostá dokonalost. Vysvětluje, že oddělenost neexistuje a pocity oddělenosti jsou iluzí. Newman se také dotýká pojmu záměr a soucit a naznačuje, že to nemusí být nutné, pokud je vše již svobodné a dokonalé. Zdůrazňuje, že není třeba pomáhat nebo si nechat pomáhat, protože to nemá nic společného se záměrem nebo stát se něčím jiným. Newman dále uvádí, že vše je láska a že individuální já od ní není odděleno. Na závěr uvádí, že vše je nepoznatelné a že pojmy Bůh a láska jsou stále součástí příběhu.

[Veil]

To je zas expertní překlad a z toho ještě expertní nesmyslný výtah. Nic takového co je červeně neříká, neříká ani to ostatní, co shrnující píše a ne v tom smyslu, v jakém je to shrnuto.

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so what we're talking about is um well you could say the meeting is a response
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to a sense of longing and I differentiate between longing and wanting so longing is not
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for the next experience is not just to get something else
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hi
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longing isn't isn't actually for more it's for the end of seeking really is
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what how I would Define longing and wanting is is wanting
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more and this this meeting could say is a response to the longing and it has
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nothing for the wanting more so what won't happen here is there
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won't be any information there won't be any practice there won't be anything to
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learn it's not about becoming or changing what is in any
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way it's a response to the longing and the longing isn't actually
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for more it's the end it's the longing to for wholeness you could say it's it's
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a longing for freedom in the story of Jim that was the
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core sense of it was a longing for Freedom or
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wholeness um so I guess for some often this
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meeting will be quite disappointing because it's not GNA feed that sense of
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need that sense of wanting a better experience there isn't going to be any
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guidance about how to find wholeness the reason there isn't any
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guidance is because all there is is wholeness so this is what's longed
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for which has certain consequences to that wanting experience that wanting
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experience is convinced that something needs to happen that what it what what's looked for in
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its in its experience is something it's going to know is it something that it's
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going to be able to add to what it feels it is so that it'll feel well basically
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happy all the time I know there's a lot of different words out there peaceful happy joyous
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whatever this doesn't this doesn't speak to that it doesn't speak to it in in any
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way really if if what we're talking about is heard it actually undermines
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it which can't be wanted the wanting experience just wants to continue it
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just wants to move on it just wants more for itself and all that this has to suggest
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and it's nothing to give because it can't be given because it's already true there what we're talking about wholeness
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or Freedom the absolute is is already true it's already the
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case so this isn't about changing anything it's pointing out that it's already
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done there's nothing that could happen that would make this more of what's longed for than it is
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already the problem is for the individual is that that's nothing to it and so you'll hear that a lot that I'll
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say or this will say that this is nothing and it is appearing as this so
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there's nothing in it for the separate experience the individual is looking
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for something for itself and this message just doesn't have anything for
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it it's empty there's nothing to hold on to so I've often heard I don't know if
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it's oh it definitely is a criticism that this sounds like spiritual bypassing and if there's one thing this
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message isn't it's not spiritual bypassing because it doesn't give anything to the individual to do
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anything about anything nor does it suggest that there's a right or a wrong way for it to be which is awful for the
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individual because it wants some sort of guidance there isn't any guidance here
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it's a very simple it's very very simple it's actually too simple it's that what's longed for
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wholeness is overlooked by the sense that there's
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something that needs to happen it's overlooked by the experience that this isn't it it's overlooked by the
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experience of seeking seeking more it's quite simply
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this this is what's longed for and that's all inclusive there's nothing excluded from that it includes
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everything which again is a terrible message for the individual because it gives it nothing to do nothing to hold
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on to nothing to have nothing to work towards it's
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done uh we can talk about that if you like well does it does sound really terrible J oh it is well to the
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individual oh yeah to the separate experien or it is it's probably the
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worst thing it could hear if it could it can't so it doesn't matter
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it'll make an object out of what we're talking it'll make an object out of non-duality or at the
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absolute thinking if trauma individual trauma
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prevents no more to see that this is what it is
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no there isn't so in the experience of the individual
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the idea for it I think is that the experience of being an I am that you
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call it an intelligence that it's going to move from its limited separate
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experience to wholeness and if that were true it's not if that were true then its
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experience would be limiting but there isn't an intelligence that moves from a
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limited separate experience to wholeness that limited seate experience is an
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illusion so with or we trauma isus well trauma is an illusory trauma
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is no that someone has trauma is illusory but trauma is trauma it's
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wholeness of being trauma does the trauma keeps the no
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sense of the individual no more TR no it's not the individual isn't
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it owns things it not in the sense of an activity but in the SS that everything
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that arises is mine or isn't mine so it's just the sense it's not an activity it's just a function of being separate
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that everything that arises has to do with me is my experience my thoughts my
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feelings my perception and in that it can give
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trauma and other things energy but there isn't anything limited it not
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in actuality only in the illusion because this is
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wholeness so it just appears as trauma it's wholeness or the absolute appearing
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as
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trauma is not anity being is not an activity meing meing well no that's not
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true me is an act well an illusory activity but it doesn't have any power
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so it doesn't have any power not to have the sense everything is about
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me and when I say owning it's I think I am I I give something an idea that I
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could if the so the goal is not to own everything and that's that's not what I
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mean that's why I say it's not an activity
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hey I have a question on the notion existence yeah so when I look at a tree
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for example that's a dream which part of that uh
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I I look the dream that's the dream okay so in in me looking at a tree the tree
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exists we can only go in circles now in the dream there's only it's a very small circle of
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chasing your own tail so in the dream of me there's just chasing your own tail
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There Is No Escape From The Dream of Me Okay so to simplify the question do things exist yes and
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[Music] no so the tree exists but not
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separate right so if if looking at a tree is happening yeah and then I walk
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out of the room and I'm no longer looking at the tree it still exists well yeah as an idea or as a
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memory so it it it exists in the act of observing it at the same time it's like
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created by looking at well it well but there are thoughts about things that don't
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exist and so those are thoughts about things that don't exist or thoughts of things that aren't
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perceived so this doesn't have to do with life and observation of things no
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it doesn't it's not about that life in the universe well it depends what you mean
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by life there's two sort of ways to talk about life life forms or aliveness I
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don't know what you mean if you talk about life forms yeah I guess there could possibly be no life forms although they found little bitty microscopic Life
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on Mars so life out there so there always seems to be some sort of life form but this is this isn't about the
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appearance well in a sense it is but it's it's that the appearance is no
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thing or the absolute appearing and that's that's that's
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differentiating the experience that I'm the
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Observer right but to my mind it seems like for no thing to even appear there
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needs to be some sort of life form or thing to no no absolutely not no no
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that's called something what is that called there's a there no no solipsism is that it
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solipsism you're the only person that exists right exactly and so only only all that exists is only what I perceive
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and this isn't about the perceiver right or no perceiver or what exists when
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there is or isn't a perceiver it's that there isn't in a perceiver the perceiver is an
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illusion so there's no objective reality there the objective and subjective are
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are not separate it's the same
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thing um if there's nothing for the individual yeah yet you as an individual
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have arrived here to deliver this we've all arrived here so even though this is
12:21
not for the individual we all somehow have come together and this message is
12:28
being shared and I'm just curious to know even though it's not for the individual how it
12:34
affects the individual um for instance um the war in Gaza I am very
12:42
affected by it but from this view of no one's here it seems like I could just um
12:50
look at that experience dispassionately like nothing's no one's
12:56
suffering yeah no one's nothing yeah I think that's a I think that's common the way so that would be an
13:03
interpretation of what we're talking about that would be an individual idea sort of a
13:08
Detachment of not being affected by everything and it's just that's just not what this is about it's not about being
13:15
unaffected it's just that there's no one being affected there can still being be
13:21
being affected there's just no one having the emotion or feeling there's no so if I'm suffering over something and I
13:28
had and the realization occurs that there's
13:34
no one here there's just suffering happening yeah yeah to no one
13:39
yeah and what I'm perceiving in the news or whatever is uh is just story well no
13:48
the only story is that there's a perceiver that's the only
13:54
story otherwise there's just news terrible news good news
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so this has I mean this is where I get stuck because it's like this well I'll
14:05
tell you where you get stuck you didn't come here no one else did right no one came here this moment
14:13
let's call it a moment just for conversation isn't connected to another
14:20
moment so they're actually already isn't a story there's just what
14:27
appears which is nothing
14:38
appearing so is Jim Newman affected by the news well it's I I'm
14:44
entertainment it's interesting there's no there's no there would be no call for you to fight Injustice for instance to
14:52
go protest War to do something who knows you don't know who
14:58
knows it does this doesn't have it worked out this doesn't know there isn't
15:03
actually a Jim Newman I understand the body's and it responds to that but there isn't actually a Jim
15:08
Newman but there might be but this understanding affects Jim Newman's life
15:14
no no there isn't there act if this is it meaning it's all there is it's not a
15:19
a consequence of another moment then how could what where is the life
15:26
for it to have an effect on where's the other moment for it to have
15:32
an effect where is the other where's the need for this to be
15:40
understood to be implemented applied to make sense of it there just
15:46
isn't so that whole experience that there's an individual here that has a life that needs to be worked out is part
15:54
of that dream that there's somebody sitting that somebody's in the body or
15:59
is the body I don't know how you think of it that has meaning and purpose and that the appearance has an intention so
16:06
for the individual the appearance is incomplete it's lacking in some way
16:11
that's sometimes that's internalized sometimes it's externalized but there there's a lack in some way and that's
16:17
the movement of the individual is to fulfill or feed that lack that need and
16:23
it can be projected in all sorts of ways you know um self- imulation is a need
16:28
being affected wanting to to feel bad about what's happening in the world and
16:33
feeling like something should be changed is is the individual feeling like the appearance is in some way lacking and it
16:39
needs to be rectified and it's my job but doesn't this understanding it's not
16:45
an understanding I'm I tried to say that view right no it's no view it's no understanding
16:52
there this doesn't in a very real way this doesn't understand what we're talking about it's not understand it's
16:59
not separate it's yet yet it's brought all
17:06
of us together well no one came here this moment isn't connected to
17:12
another moment there's no evidence that there's
17:19
that time is real only for the individual is there evidence for time is real there's a it's a solidity a point
17:27
in the appearance that feels like a solidity that feels like it's moving through time that is a dream that these
17:35
that there's a continuity to the the appearance this is the whole of it there
17:41
isn't anything else and there's actually no evidence of anything else but for the individual the sense is I moved from
17:49
birth to here and therefore I'll move forward and that's the sense that's how
17:54
that's the need of making sense of my life I have a life I need to make it work
17:59
work doesn't happen it never happened so the end of the story of that
18:07
continuity when if that were to end it doesn't actually end because there never
18:13
is anything but what is so it's not the end of something that actually happened
18:18
it's the end of a dream that something was really
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happening yeah then I'm I'm just trying to figure out where I'm okay
18:45
sorry it just seems that this message has had an effect on Jim
18:53
Newman's day-to-day activity yeah that's what it appears
18:58
yeah yeah that's that that's an appearance yeah but to to to C to say that it's a
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causal thing is a misunderstanding
19:11
well yes and no because there appears to be cause and
19:16
effect but it doesn't affect that everything is this which is the absolute
19:22
or nothing appearing as this and it can appear as cause and effect it can appear as time the
19:31
past it can appear as anything every as I started off everything's
19:38
included we're not the individual can't help but want to change the appearance it feels like that's what where its
19:46
salvation is hidden but really what's longing for is the end of that separate experience
19:54
that's what's longed for and that isn't something to be found or something to be
20:01
um uh made happen can't can't be made to happen every effort is a confirmation
20:08
that it seems to be happening this is what's longed for it's
20:16
just simple there's no answers no
20:21
understanding but there is a sense that this is what's longed for no not anymore
20:27
not here anyway no
20:33
then what does it mean when you say this is what's wrongful as a reaction to separation in you know the experience of
20:40
Separation The one thing there's something so as far as I'm concerned everybody knows what we're talking
20:46
about it's obvious there's something that already knows what we're talking knows is the wrong word please excuse me
20:54
um and out of that that separation comes out of that sort of sense that there's
21:02
something else it's not it's not the way it seems there's a longing for the end of
21:10
that experience of separation for the end of
21:17
Separation isn't that kind isn't that wanting something well I mean you I call
21:22
it longing what was again you said the difference between longing and wanting
21:28
yeah I mean it's arbitrary but it just makes sense it's just words but I just
21:35
differentiate wanting being from the separate experience and longing not not
21:41
really I'm kind of wondering and this is not meant to be
21:47
funny why people come to sit in a room with you and you know what else I wonder I totally agree I also wonder why not
21:55
everyone is here well I why why not all of New York just showed up at the door I've been
22:01
thinking I'm I'm sort of it's funny this is open to both of those every time I have a meeting it's so it's kind of
22:07
exciting it's like I wonder if a million people are going to show up or if no one seriously yeah wondering why we're
22:16
not in Madison Square Garden yeah I know I know everybody doing nothing yeah well
22:22
nobody can do nothing but absolutely I I'm 100% with you somebody would
22:27
probably shoot you are there any we are in America are there any producers in the
22:34
room I'd like to get together with you to get JY into medicine yeah yeah and
22:39
maybe even run for office it'll never happen it'll never happen because of what I said at the beginning there is
22:45
nothing on offer there aren't that many people that are truly
22:50
open for nothing it I don't know I I'm sorry it
22:56
seems almost a little disingenuous to me because you're what is because what you're talking about is freedom what
23:03
what's disingenuous that you're saying that's not
23:08
there there's there is something here for this
23:16
illusory individual which is maybe you could say it's a desire to not exist
23:22
recognize that you you don't exist but but it doesn't the individual doesn't want that it can't want that yes I I
23:29
understand that okay that the individual just by our nature wants to exist
23:38
yeah um and that's why I'm here yeah because I'm very interested in this
23:45
message but then I keep hitting this I don't know intellectual wall or oh no it's not intellectual know it's a no but
23:52
it is an absolute wall I said a brick wall and someone said no there's something to hold on to in a brick wall
23:58
this is a an absolutely clear glass wall there's nothing to hold on to ABS
24:05
it is that and it's on that it's on all levels it is
24:10
that and that's just a reflection of the way this is the experience that there's
24:16
something owned there's someone to have something is a dream there isn't separation for someone to have something
24:23
else that's a dream so it's just a reflection of the way it is already Just
24:28
For The Individual I think I said this in the beginning that wants something else or something more it's
24:33
dissatisfying it can be frustrating right can make you angry like waking up from can seem disingenuous I can
24:39
recognize that I just had a dream and then I never think about it for the rest of the day or the rest of my life because I recognized it was just a dream
24:46
yeah so it didn't mean anything but it's it's a more profound sorry for that because it sounds like a big deal but
24:52
it's more profound than that or more all-encompassing than that than an individual not having a thought
25:00
it's that the whole of this is not separate and it's there's an illusion of
25:07
an experiencer in this wholeness that feels like it is and that comes with all
25:13
these apparent consequences of what the story of me
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is is a dream the same is illusion yeah yeah I mean as I'm talking about it yeah
25:26
I I say use those interchangeably yeah everything's really is everything
25:35
no just the dream because I I heard some Indian gurus say everything is an illusion yeah well you'd have to ask him
25:41
what he meant I wouldn't say that died a long time ago oh man those are the best gurus
25:47
the ones that they can't confront
25:54
you all right so I'm trying to SA my mind's like oh that's that's going to be
26:02
difficult for whatever reason it's easy enough for me to accept that Evolution
26:08
created the IDE this notion of a separate self in a human body that's a story it's a survival yeah that no it's
26:15
not to think you're separate you protect yourself no no the body does it much more effectively if there's no
26:21
experience of Separation do other animals have a separate no so it's Unique to it is yeah well it seems to be
26:29
like a you don't think a squirrel is running around separate no I mean if you look at a cat it's obvious it's not
26:34
separate if they were separate they'd be meditating trying to find they probably
26:41
build a church the C church of Holy cats or
26:51
something' C is definitely more separated than theor
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oh now we're into [Laughter]
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philosophy do think fight um protection
27:08
or entertainment I've got four they seem to entertain each other by fighting
27:15
sometimes it's easy for my mind to accept that everything's just happening and there's no control so just but I I
27:21
don't know why but with you it's just the um this is an unacceptable message it's unacceptable it can't accepted any
27:29
acceptance of it is a misunderstanding of it it's not
27:34
acceptable because the message purely is there isn't anyone who would accept
27:42
that how could it be accepted are there multiple different
27:47
what is is apparently I mean you could say that that has a different perspective yeah
27:55
like an astronaut on the moon yeah well no it's not a different what is it's a different apparent perspective but that
28:02
apparent perspective there is only what is which is nothing so all perspectives are nothing appearing as all
28:09
perspectives it's all just what's appearing it's all just what's appearing which is
28:14
nothing it's the same it's the same it's the same it's the inconceivable
28:21
appearing as this nothing in the sense that it could be anything no and no potential there's
28:28
no potential there's not hidden potential somewhere this is the
28:34
Fulfillment this the individual misses that because
28:40
it knows it's sitting in a room having a conversation so that then this
28:47
as Purity as freedom is lost is missed it's missed it's overlooked because it
28:54
feels like this needs to be something else so why do you use the word nothing
28:59
nothing because you can't say anything about it you could say no thing but if
29:04
you put some if you put it somebody wrote something recently or do you mean the face of God you know some of these
29:10
Indian terms and maybe the guys that thought of that or the girls that thought of those terms is what they're
29:17
talking about the same thing but as soon as you say something like that it becomes an object it becomes
29:24
something separate and what we're talking about is not something separate
29:29
I mean I I'd tell you if I could I
29:43
can't but you can make an inference excuse me you can make an inference you can say I do absolute nothing
29:51
aliveness saying notun it's all single Source like in a Dream well but You' got a source there I'm just saying I don't
29:59
know what the source is I know when I wake up I oh no but I there's no Source in I
30:05
Dream everything seems in a dream everything seems individual just like this I could be dreaming this right now
30:12
when I wake up I realize oh it's all from my single Source yeah what our wait
30:17
what we see now here yeah could be just we can infer this is all singles but
30:22
that has nothing to do with what I'm talking about it doesn't contradict what you're talking about yeah it does because there's a bridge to others
30:29
that's what I one say all right there's no Bridge because there's no
30:39
separation cat protection what's that back to like the cat protection thing cat protection yeah remember yeah so it
30:47
exists there's no individuation it just is with cats right well individuations is a psychological term there's no
30:53
separation there's no individual right so might fight entertainment yeah that I
31:00
get protection from what well well the cats you know I mean if they had to well
31:07
eat so it's not protection protection from starvation survival survival that this
31:14
this the system survives intrinsically it's just wired to do that the
31:20
individual sort of undermines that immediacy of just surv survival
31:28
there's an individual there's no need for an individual for this to
31:36
survive I noticed you stop using the word energy energy oh I sometimes yeah
31:43
I'm not don't have a real connection to
31:51
it um when you talking about bodies coming here and
31:59
it's not um you were saying that it's not something intellectual or or mental but
32:06
there is something that recognizes or something that feels the resonance or
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whatever the term is um that
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something um Can the individual ever sense or experience no
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no
32:35
long that I wanted to talk about I think that's in in different ways
32:42
Seekers you know somehow get to that word I guess um in in sort of deeper
32:49
states of longing you can say that
32:55
despair so it's not so if I can describe it in the deepest
33:00
state of longing there's actually no despair there is no desire to end it
33:09
there is no desire not to end it um it's and and it's sort of the sort of the you
33:18
know if if if one can describe an ideal State um it's sort of the sense of that
33:23
ideal State um but no so you just I don't know talking
33:31
about longing is is a a a response to
33:37
discontent the fundamental discontent of being separate so so what H um I may said you
33:44
don't know what I'm talking about but if if um like can you can you comment on that
33:51
experience then like an individual's experience when um because you been two
33:56
states you know in in yeah what we're talking about isn't a state though right yes it's not there's not a state of
34:02
non-duality right yeah no I I understand it I think what I was trying to get was
34:07
when an individual is in that state which is not nity of longing of longing
34:13
yeah um is that an experience that individual is trying to put some label
34:19
on but not getting it no I don't know that the individual like like with the contraction or anything else knows
34:24
anything about longing it has nothing to do with the
34:35
individual but aren't we aren't we here longing some might be here because
34:42
there's a a nothing else worked well what's
34:49
that will we be getting a grade yes yeah I'm sorry to tell you P fail or yeah
34:58
yeah and you have to pay to get it and I won't tell you what it is until you paid
35:09
so so is consciousness or awareness some type of imposition
35:15
yeah yeah it's just another [Music]
35:21
thing so the belonging is not from the individual no it's a response to the
35:29
individual to separation
35:34
so I feel like the individual would be the one longing uhuh no it
35:40
wants it wants something else longing is for the end of wanting something
35:47
else but if it's let's say if it's not the individual there's this apparent
35:53
long longing but if this is oh no if there's no individual there's no
35:59
longing but it happens outside individual yeah as a response of Separation oh is a response to what
36:09
separation but there's no individual no well no but there is the illusory
36:16
experience of being one so there's an illusion of a uh mass of longing in the
36:24
room maybe maybe I from this perspective there are no
36:31
individuals here there are claims of being an individual there are claims of having a
36:37
life and those things and and none of it actually happens that's obvious that it doesn't happen it's obvious that it's
36:44
nothing claiming to be an individual having a life what is your day to day like f um
36:54
well I wake up and drink about a fifth of vodka I'm
36:59
most days I don't even get out of bed what's the point you
37:05
know how is it that that I noticed this beautiful lady over here with you I know
37:14
I mean if you're doing all this drinking and staying in bed what does she doing I know she does all the
37:19
work she says won't you wash the dishes I said there's no one to wash the
37:26
dishes it's perfect so are you available for
37:33
relationship coaching there aren't any
37:38
relationships may maybe Laura is maybe Laura Laura's probably ready for that
37:46
yeah what is it about separation so uncomfortable it's you know it's first
37:53
off there's a sense of fear that the survival which is which is
38:00
Broad it's loss change out of control all those things are the fear of death
38:06
all those things are in the fear of death and the discontent of the sense of
38:12
that something's missing something's not right in in some way you could say the
38:17
individual feels as though it's been cast out of paradise and there's that sense of
38:24
loss so do the sense of being separate and a sense of control are those kind of
38:29
one the same yeah oh absolutely like ey control oh Absolut free will oh absolutely free will yeah
38:36
and that's that's stressful to feel like you're in control well the feeling like
38:42
so the story the individual has a story about what its life is and about what its goal is or ideas the meaning and
38:49
purpose of its life and that is stressful having to fulfill the meaning and purpose of my life the sense that it
38:56
has it I I'm resp responsible and you're you're an endless failure because you're
39:01
supposed to be be happy you're supposed to have whatever else they're supposed to be and there's no hope of ever
39:08
getting that it never work it'll never work it lives in a in satisfaction which
39:14
is a temporary relief from the sense of need that the individual has and that's
39:19
like a Netflix film or a good meal or fifth of vodka there's a sense of satisfaction and then immediately after
39:26
that there's the need for something else it never ends so all those addiction
39:31
drugs alol all these things well no no sorry I don't want to make it negative because the individual does it it's
39:38
incessant so in this room if there's an individual it is feeding on the
39:44
appearance it's feeding on what's happening it's trying to get something for itself out of it endlessly drugs are
39:50
just an easy target but I mean walking down the street waking up in the morning
39:56
I mean everything is something for the individual like a new experience
40:01
anything or it's happy with being bored and unhappy it just wants more it's not
40:08
necessar it has ideas about wanting to be happy but really it just wants more
40:13
even unhappiness is preferable to nothing it's not satisfied with just What's happen it can't be satisfying
40:19
well I'm again I differentiate between satisfaction fulfillment satisfaction
40:25
temporary and so it can momentarily be
40:37
satisfied what's the individual's relationship to Consciousness it feels like that's what
40:43
it is I'm aware I'm
40:49
conscious you say that the individual is object leaning like as then this message
40:57
you're saying something about the individual yeah but it doesn't it wants to ignore that every time yeah and kind
41:03
of just talk about other well it does that by making an object of what's being said right
41:09
yeah as a function not as a choice it can't help but make an object out of nothing if I say nothing that becomes a
41:16
something to it or the absolute or the it can't it can't get that it's all
41:23
inclusive it's everything
41:37
long yeah
41:42
yeah reaction
41:51
yeah is there any individual contraction is there any individual the cont no no
41:59
yeah the individual the contraction is what first arises and out of that comes the
42:08
individual nowra what contraction what's that what
42:14
again is contraction well I I say that the individual starts with a contraction
42:19
in the body with a tension in the body the whole body actually I do this I know but it's the whole body is that due to
42:27
wanting or no wanting comes out of that before there's the contraction
42:33
there's just simply everything nothing being everything and and the longing is
42:39
a response to the contraction the being kicked out of paradise so this the
42:47
contraction ever evident no and Only In the Falling Away only in the only when it fall only
42:55
when it dissipates then well it's only ever recognized when
43:01
it dissipates other otherwise in the in the dream in the separate dream all that
43:07
really can be seen are the effects such as discontent
43:14
wanting those effects can be seen the effects of wanting the effects
43:19
of the [Music] separation you said earlier there's there's a longing to be free yeah
43:27
separation yeah there is but not in the the individual doesn't long to be free the individual Longs for
43:34
more or wants more then how do I get out of this oh
43:42
you don't you might die though would you do the eulogy at my
43:47
death yeah I think it'd be very funny yeah I actually think it' be Comedy
43:56
Central be hysterical yeah nothing
44:04
yeah no no it objectifies it it makes a something out of it whereas what I'm
44:10
saying is it's nothing yeah did you do we answer it as
44:17
you're talking right now there's like a sense of vibrating flowing kind of energy and iness as well and so when I
44:26
hear you talking about the falling way of that contraction there's a sense of like oh that energy
44:31
needs to change the granularity needs to change
44:36
dissolve Kindle demand yeah yeah totally
44:43
yeah yeah what's great and that and that is
44:50
that everything that appears is already that what's longing
44:56
for so there isn't a possibility for anything to change for this to become
45:05
that any change is that which is longed for appearing as
45:12
this you say it's already yeah
45:19
because it's not because of anything so why would you say that why
45:25
would you say what is it is well because it is know yeah I don't know it but yeah
45:33
absolutely yeah absolutely because it it's pleasurable
45:38
not it's pleas no it's not it has nothing to do with experience it's not an
45:51
experience inition yeah yeah yeah I feel like makes
45:58
me you know this brought me here and when I hear teachings that sort
46:05
of yeah yeah
46:12
yeah well intuition is just something else that appears there's just a certain sense
46:17
it's not always really trustworthy actually especially if there's an individual without the individual it's a
46:24
little bit clearer but it's it's still not particularly trustworthy I guess the word
46:31
intuition special or something somehow feels really Elemental
46:40
yeah what makes this body that had a name Jim Newman do this yeah nothing
46:48
with your life nothing nothing well this doesn't have a life you don't either no one has a life
46:56
well this appearance of a body showing up and doing this around the world yeah there's something that there's a cause yeah she
47:04
makes me do [Laughter] it i' just stay in bed and get
47:11
drunk but she says come on she goes you like it I'm like I don't
47:17
that one I'm like I don't she says yeah you
47:23
do what's that she's the only somebody yeah there aren't anybody there are only
47:28
bodies there isn't any somebody so it's kind of pointless to talk about individuals like like talking about your
47:34
life is pointless oh completely the whole meeting is pointless that's that's that if there
47:40
was a way to to to to express the message this is pointless it's pointless it doesn't need
47:47
to have a point it's only for the individual where there's this sense that something is missing that there needs to
47:53
be a point and the point for the individual is to find that thing which is either more knowing or a
48:00
particular experience and it's heard all sorts of things there's gurus out there who talk about wonderful magical things
48:06
and all this promises and all that and maybe it's latched onto some of those maybe it's a car maybe it's just laying
48:11
in bed getting drunk all day there's some idea that there needs to be a that there is a goal an intention to the
48:19
appearance an intention to the appearance there isn't there that's just a
48:24
dream it's done it's not going anywhere and it doesn't need to so all us all of us as individuals
48:32
showed up so that basically this message could could kill this idea that we're people were some well I think what seems
48:39
to me first off there aren't a lot of individuals if there is there's only one and that's it
48:45
um and and it's only a claim it's not really individual but I understand the
48:50
claim I think it's a mixture I think most people come with a mixture of
48:56
wanting and longing or openness and wanting and that

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49:02
I think so it can simultaneously
49:08
be this inward yes and at the same time uh frustration or something else like
49:17
that simultaneously right because there's two things going on intellectual
49:22
frustration is built into it's deeper than intellectual because the the sense of of need that the individual is is
49:31
quite deep in the body that something needs to happen and that in in a meeting
49:38
like this can be really frustrated as you know you keep trying to ask about the individual life and it doesn't get
49:45
anything because it wants to know it wants to know it wants to add something to itself it wants to move on to what
49:52
maybe what Jim has Jim doesn't have it there isn't a gym to have anything so it's just
49:58
frustrated I'm just curious that Jim is uh this this message is important enough
50:06
that Jim's life oh it's not sharing this message no it just happens there's no reason for
50:13
it there's nothing here that's trying to disingenuous yeah there's nothing here that trying to tell that anything or
50:21
cares if it hears it it makes no difference that's wholeness it's not separate from this
50:28
there isn't anything that needs to happen there nothing it's done that is
50:34
equally wholeness as this is it's complete it's already done
50:40
there's absolutely nothing that needs to happen so there isn't there isn't an
50:47
effort from here to do anything to that get that but there's a desire some
50:54
something is motivating this well but in the dream yeah no it's not
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in the dream there is no dream I mean I understand if there is one that's what's happening but it's an illusion
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um yeah it somebody asked and this thought
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okay it feels like like almost like rhetorical Jiu-Jitsu it is a for the
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individual trying to get something yeah it's not good
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yeah so Jim in in the hole when you said if there's the appearance of the
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individual in the hole when there is that contraction in
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the whole is everything longing then well no I wouldn't I mean you could
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say it that way because the individual is actually everything yeah that's what I mean yeah
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well I would say that actually everything seems to be out of place in some way yeah that makes a lot of sense
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yeah's what's in place well there isn't an in place that's that's the dream of the individual that there's an out of
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place and its job is to put it in place there isn't yeah I know
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yeah and it will never happen no it'll never happen because there's nothing out of
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place the biggest problem for the individual is that there isn't [Laughter]
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one can you imagine it hates that it's like what do you mean there isn't a [Laughter]
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problem yeah there is this feels kind of Sil but um what
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what makes the gy M character abide
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by socials oh I don't I was eating food off the
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neighbor's plate yesterday Laura was like stop that no have I thought there's
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no [Laughter]
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separation if it's hot out my baby's not going to wear clothes or you know there
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won't be any will yeah that's what I
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do I'm asking I'm asking why you do work I supect yeah there's something just
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naturally appropriate about how this Acts or what this does you mean based on
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condition I guess probably yeah yeah but Jim Newman doesn't say doesn't
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think of himself as separate anymore it's not a thought there isn't a Jim Newman to think he's not separate right
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where whereas I for instance that's still it's still very strong just sense of Separation yeah but for Jim Newman
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that doesn't exist not for Jim Newman yes that's what I get it okay
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yeah so a lack of Separation doesn't mean that everything feels great all the time
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no but things are just what they are yeah the feeling of sadness or whatever
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yeah yeah it's not overlaid with more on top like yeah no
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totally sometimes make a reference for like content in content or like a
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fullness or I don't I don't think I do talk about contentment yeah so I guess
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what would homeless feel like it wouldn't it there isn't it's not a
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Feeling I was walking yesterday I went to the train station and I need to get to seus
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Junction and I saw that I had like a minute left when I got there and I
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didn't even think and I just saw a bunch of people running so I was like I don't have time it was it just ran with the
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people got on the train and then I was like is this the right train course and it was I was sitting down and thinking
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about if I had to like decide and walk through all those steps and pl I would never have it was just a miracle that
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all the whole thing just happened that way and I ended up being on right train but if I had to like think about it I
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would still be there deciding what to do yeah yeah but this message isn't about
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things going your way or not going your way I'm not talking about that but even just the processes that had happened but
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it's not about there being no processes yes I know but they were have it seemed like that if I had to Think
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Through of that almost like when you miss an accident when when you almost hit somebody in a car if you had to
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think about how you s but it's not about reaction or response or it's it's that everything that appears is
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nothing yeah yeah well what I was saying that could be getting on the wrong
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train yeah that's that's misleading what I'm saying is that I feel like I'm in control of it and then I'm looking back
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at the whole thing and what and what I'm saying is that it's not about something
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changing [Music]
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welcome to the
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club so you did make a mention that it can't once the me Falls away it
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can kind of help in a way functionally way does it kind of do that there's just
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it takes an enormous amount of energy feeling like you're responsible and that you have to work it out and
56:55
that there's there's a real life that needs to be attended to that's an enor that takes an enormous amount of
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energy so is it the energy that's freed up yeah well the thing is is there isn't
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a me to fall away it's just another story J on that point
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simar was saying when this message is heard or similar in the story um
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it is not unusual at least to experience that the energy that is being
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used ordinarily um get saved and things start to happen even in the story things are
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happening like pretty effortlessly that is that something that sort of happens when effortlessness yeah
57:49
yeah like you things like you know getting on the right train seems to happen you know showing up for this
57:55
seems to happen oh no no I wouldn't say that no I wouldn't say that your life is
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then your life is then better but there isn't any one making a mess of it not in
58:05
that way simple there's missing a train or
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getting a
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train so what does the longing apparently happens it is outside the
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individual his response just apparently happens yeah outside the individual yeah
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where do it happen wherever it happens
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longing long still something happening long is happening yeah
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yeah how do you think about birth and death oh that's what apparently happens
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birth and death but no one is born and no one dies there isn't an individual that's born but bodies are born and they
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die apparently but in death then the
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appearance of whatever through the senses stop will no longer happen OB yeah right yeah yeah so then what is
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happening after that yeah whatever is happen whatever is what is is what appears to be whatever
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is the individual lives in a world where it's it's sense dependent its existence is sense
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dependent it gives a lot of energy to it it feels like it's in the body and the experience or The Happening of the body
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is everything and so the end of that is threatening because it feels like that would be the end of everything or the
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end of its experience the end of it which is the worst thing in the world but there is there already isn't
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anyone having senses there are just senses there's nothing dependent upon
1:00:01
senses and senses aren't any evidence that anything separate it's only are
1:00:07
required for things to appear well they're required for this to appear the senses report this
1:00:17
happening but there's nothing dependent upon this happening for the individual it is this is its
1:00:23
life but that's a dream this isn't anyone's life it's it's just an
1:00:32
appearance but without senses what is what's cently happening
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wouldn't have
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senses is there less fear
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yeah
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I'm not feeling this at the moment but I tend to get really frustrated at um
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social norms and just a contortion that has to happen in this reality
1:01:34
um sometimes it physically feels like it's hard for me to breathe and relax
1:01:40
um just being in this type of physical room in particular
1:01:48
and I think I'm just touching upon like the violence of like language itself
1:01:54
because I find that like words words we're putting things into these like categories and like stripping away the
1:02:00
isness of stuff yeah um and it's just like it physically makes me really sad
1:02:06
yeah well the individual thinks that freedom is hidden in the appearance and
1:02:12
so it wants the appearance to be a certain way so that it can feel free and it never does it never will it
1:02:19
could have anything it wanted it'll never feel free free is another experience that it feels like it could
1:02:25
have what's longed for is the freedom that this is already and freedom can appear as feeling contracted or not
1:02:32
liking Norms or anything else that's Freedom it's not for you nothing we're talking about is for
1:02:46
you and with with nobody there needs are taken care of oh yeah or
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not This is Not Practical at all no
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absolutely not no it's not it's not
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useful no it's a lot of money to pay to hear though oh yeah I know this reason I only
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say it near the middle or the end never in the
1:03:21
beginning if if needes are not mad then it's just needs not being M yeah it's not about what happens it's said
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anything that seems to be happening is not separate there's no one for it to be
1:03:35
separate to but of course if these are not mad the indid would
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probably take try to take control on his hands and try to make it m well if
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there's an individual it's not about how it react to you know what's happening
1:03:52
it's that everything that's happening is separate from me
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separate from what me and that sense of separation and
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genders all the stuff we're talking about intention need meaning
1:04:09
purpose was discontent retreat with someone named Paul low yeah I know him
1:04:15
yeah and um somebody was um concerned
1:04:20
about their relationship not meeting their needs
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and he said look up in the sky there's billions
1:04:33
of universes does it really matter what's going
1:04:41
on and that sort of loosened the longing that the memory yeah and and it's
1:04:49
reactivating here well the messages are very
1:04:55
different tell me more well this isn't about because so when the astronauts went to
1:05:02
the moon or left the or Earth's orbit for the first time they say there is a change in Consciousness about how we
1:05:09
could feel so separate how it's just one blue ball in the middle of endless nothingness and that obviously has a
1:05:15
profound effect on the psyche and this isn't about having an effect on the psyche it isn't about loosening anyone
1:05:22
up or having a another perspective it's that there's no one makes no difference
1:05:27
what the individual feels like it does it'll be limited to a separate experience which will still be
1:05:37
dissatisfactory the message is there's no one all there is is wholeness and this is that there's nothing that's not
1:05:43
already that well what goes on when for
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me yeah when I hear some of the questions seem to be
1:05:57
what I would judge to be like in the mind trying to figure it out and asking you what about this JY what about that
1:06:04
and I part of me well well sometimes I think I'll just shut up and listen to
1:06:10
them or or those kind of thoughts are and then sometimes there's humor and then some and then it gets serious
1:06:18
when a question gets answered that can't be answered with an answer here every
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question is basically openness sometimes more sometimes less
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but there's an openness in the
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question unless they're they're calling me
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disingenuous did you raise your hand before is it time
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no that was a joke is this U eart saying uh something like
1:07:03
I pray to God to me of God
1:07:09
no wonder I guess it makes me think about belief and
1:07:15
if I feel like you're going to say no oh let's see believing there is no
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individual while there sense of an individual is the same thing is yeah is
1:07:30
yeah it's the same energy so there's no undering I mean
1:07:36
well I know I find that the message can if there's a certain openness there can be an undermining of that separate
1:07:43
experience a loss of a contraction a loss of beliefs a loss of sort of a
1:07:48
softening up of things if there's an openness and I'm not giving that any value whatsoever I'm just saying that
1:07:54
happens makes no difference but that can
1:07:59
happen again like going back to the example you give about the
1:08:05
astronauts when they went yeah and they could have like an impact
1:08:10
on the side yeah so in a sense I was thinking like all these techniques and meditation
1:08:19
yeah and although like still or that the gurus offer like that you find on books
1:08:27
is that something like related to that like a just to have it oh yeah absolutely absolutely it's trying to
1:08:33
help you trying to help the individual yeah that's right well only it's it has nothing to do with what
1:08:41
we're talking about here and for me the biggest problem with it is it just it was
1:08:48
um it I mean in some ways it's not a problem but it just confirmed I'm a failure because it had everything to do
1:08:54
with me doing the right right thing practicing enough being aware enough anything like that I was
1:09:00
responsible for making it happen Freedom isn't someone's
1:09:07
responsibility because it's it's well first off it's unrecognizable it's not a freedom that comes
1:09:12
about it's a freedom that is already so there isn't anyone to do
1:09:22
[Music] it
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that word faure that
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seems yeah that's true though
1:09:46
yeah since the message is not being heard maybe we can try sh after okay
1:09:53
yeah and and maybe it's not being heard there but who knows talking oh right
1:09:58
right yeah just a slap yeah okay
1:10:04
slap left or right cheek it's up to me all right maybe we do
1:10:11
both because the other option I had was you know the the the Hollywood movie where a woman collide with another one
1:10:19
and and then this way so that's my second off so I'm just going to there's nothing here to switch
1:10:26
with nothingness yeah it's already that anything not
1:10:35
anything but that no it's already that even that's that
1:10:42
it so is separation like the fundamental piece of it that yeah
1:10:49
discontent I'm here you're over there yeah so without that feeling
1:10:56
then it's there's no more distance there's no more this is over there no
1:11:03
this is no longer the center of no of reality no there is no Center this is just another thing that's
1:11:10
appearing it's just it's just a body just a body yeah it's just yeah that's
1:11:17
right and that's not something that's brought about it's not a real change
1:11:22
it's not something that actually happens because it's already that way there's Just an Illusion that there's
1:11:28
something in the body an individual yeah it feels like yeah I
1:11:34
know yeah how the illusion has the potential
1:11:43
to make us Overlook the whole thing
1:11:53
yeah is it possible to have a glimpse of what you descri oh totally oh totally
1:11:59
turn I don't know what about turning back is but back to the No No One returns
1:12:06
back no there's nothing to return back in relation to glimpes so I I've heard
1:12:11
you before say that you didn't feel that you had glimp yeah
1:12:21
so I think I've also heard you kind of suggest
1:12:28
that what people what a person interprets is a glimpse are you it seems
1:12:35
to you that you come across people they interpret a glimpse and it's like no
1:12:42
that wasn't really well you can't interpret it
1:12:48
glimps there just no way huh there just no way there's no way there's no one
1:12:53
there to know what happened people tell me things like oh it lasted 30 seconds they don't know
1:13:03
that and who's gling who glces well so it's the contrast really from there
1:13:09
being someone to there being no one that that how it's it's like oh because when there isn't anyone there
1:13:16
isn't this doesn't know anything about any of those what we're talking about there isn't that contrast of someone
1:13:21
knowing what this is or any sort of yeah contrast
1:13:27
to was there a like eart totally tells the story of
1:13:33
whatever SP years yeah was that a similar well I thought his story was he was laying in bed who is this eye that
1:13:40
can't stand it anymore or something like that yeah but then after that yeah he didn't he went on a par bench a long
1:13:47
while because yeah his energy system needed to process yeah was it similar
1:13:55
over there
1:14:00
no he also said in the power of now then he had an identity again as a spiritual
1:14:06
teacher huh after sitting God knows how long
1:14:12
the because people apparently ask him questions
1:14:18
yeah that was a glimpse I have no idea what
1:14:24
what if you if there is a teaching if there
1:14:29
is a suggestion that there's someone that can do something about this then there's some acknowledgement that
1:14:35
there's a real story happening a from the future huh
1:14:41
acknowledgement from the teach well of course because here there isn't anyone there's no one there's no one in this room there's no one to tell what we're
1:14:48
talking about and there's no way to say it and that's what's longed for so so we're kind of stuck in that sense except
1:14:54
it's already the case so it doesn't matter if there's a teaching there's some sense of well there has to be it's
1:14:59
a story it's a story that there's an intelligence that can move from one position to another from from restricted
1:15:08
separation to wholeness it does it never happens that means the teacher or parent
1:15:14
teacher has like some sense of I I I can't speak for them but it doesn't make it any sense
1:15:20
otherwise it seems like you're you Tony
1:15:26
Parsons and what separates what the message with like rert spir and edari is
1:15:32
they're making concessions to this ucer cell yeah but there but with you and Tony there's no concession well there is
1:15:38
no elus cell right yeah but they're making concessions to
1:15:44
it and that's why their audiences are bigger yeah well I think so yeah well it makes more sense as an individual to go
1:15:50
to someone like that than to come here yeah of course you get more you'll feel better afterwards
1:15:57
there's no route obviously from this to this no
1:16:08
absolutely I mean well I see I don't agree I think this meeting and anything
1:16:14
else is an excuse and I don't think that coming to this meeting has anything special about
1:16:19
it it's another word I would talk about I so I talk about longing I would talk about openness for me openness is what
1:16:26
does it it's an openness to something beyond the individual and there's no way to affect the openness it's either there
1:16:33
or it's not and if there's an openness it can be a leaf falling or a car honking or anything else or nothing at
1:16:38
all waking up in the morning there's no one there you know like people don't get
1:16:45
Runners High when they're not run and well this isn't about another experience it's about the end of the experience
1:16:52
mean what would people describe oh people talk about yeah sounds AB yeah oh
1:16:59
no no it's it was just a good feeling so you're saying that the the
1:17:07
distinction between contraction sense of self and they not being contraction sens of s yeah is literally
1:17:14
just what's happening different absolutely there's not actually a
1:17:20
difference between different What's happen that's right well yeah it appear
1:17:25
it appears different yeah exactly totally so that's why you say there
1:17:31
actually is absolutely everything is already the
1:17:38
absolute appearing and an individual or table it's just the absolute individual
1:17:44
Ling or tabling nothing actually [Music] happens so like in the like in the
1:17:50
military for instance when they trying to break down new recuit yeah that's what we're doing
1:17:57
yeah what's the difference between that and this this isn't this doesn't have any intention it could have the same
1:18:02
effect but it doesn't have that intention it's not really trying to do anything if there's an openness it seems
1:18:09
like that's might be what happens and the breaking down isn't necessary there this isn't
1:18:17
about a path of breaking down the me until there's no me there is no me there
1:18:22
is no separation there's no path to no separation but there's the illusion
1:18:28
that's being identified with yeah there is well nope I it's not identified with
1:18:33
there isn't anyone to disidentify with the illusion what identifies it isn't an
1:18:40
identification it's an experience of Separation The I am and the illusion and the dream and the story are all the same
1:18:49
energy there isn't anyone that wakes up
1:18:56
it's just recogniz revealed that no one was ever
1:19:03
asleep there's just but it's not that now I'm awake no
1:19:12
well there isn't anyone to be awake yeah so the idea that what's happening
1:19:18
should be different could be better or might change next year whatever
1:19:25
that's all just complete well it's just what's
1:19:32
happening it seems like what's so stressful about being separate is that you have to decide what to do what's
1:19:38
right what's wrong like that is exhausting yeah well it's exhausting
1:19:43
being an
1:19:50
individual so this has nothing for like Humanity no well there isn't a
1:19:58
Humanity that it's
1:20:06
already perfect in all of it the whole of it is
1:20:13
perfect and just to be clear it's a Perfection but not because of
1:20:21
anything so I mean if you're in the midst of suffering you can't hear this message I would imagine oh AB I don't I
1:20:28
don't agree at all it has nothing to do with what's [Music]
1:20:34
happening so you could be um tortured but it's different when there's someone
1:20:41
being tortured and when there's no one being tortured absolutely y there are there are no prerequisites
1:20:49
to the end of something that's already not happening
1:21:01
can can be open this beus no or
1:21:07
this no it just either is or isn't like why and you won't know
1:21:12
anything about it until it's over and then it kind of becomes clear there's something about something
1:21:20
becoming more clear during and after those meetings this Mee oh yeah totally
1:21:25
yep yep so know way there's more attraction
1:21:31
to I don't know non meanness yeah like even when it's
1:21:36
finished like uh to go home and then just just like the sense of big expansion some sort
1:21:46
yeah maybe that's happening apparently oh there's only what apparently happens nothing really happens so this like
1:21:52
Elation expansion yeah it's just something it's happening and the individual will think it's special or
1:21:58
[Music] meaningful but is there any element
1:22:06
of some sort of inducive itself no oh if there's an
1:22:12
openness yeah yeah yeah absolutely but it could be a pile of dog if there's an openness because it's saying
1:22:18
the same thing that this is what this is it this is wholeness
1:22:25
this is complete like what do you mean exactly
1:22:31
it's saying exactly the same thing that I'm saying oh there isn't anything that's not
1:22:38
screaming exactly what I'm saying in the Bible I think it says pick up a rock and I'm underneath it split open a log and
1:22:45
that I'm inside something like that what's that St Thomas St Thomas I thought something something like that
1:22:53
everything is obviously everything's it saying that everything when there isn't anyone everything confirms that
1:23:00
everything is saying the same thing this is whole complete there's no [Music]
1:23:08
one Conant Con well constant is a funny word afraid I think it's from the babita
1:23:15
everything everything that's here is everywhere what's not here now is nowhere to be found is that the same
1:23:21
thing well there isn't anything that's not here now right so whatever here now is everywhere that's right this is
1:23:26
everywhere now nowhere to this is everything that's right
1:23:33
yeah so when you say it's complete or Perfection that's because there's no alternative that's right absolutely
1:23:39
there's no separation there's nothing else and that is the Perfection that is the heaven on Earth there's nothing
1:23:49
else there's nothing else in this there's nothing other than what appears
1:23:54
and it this isn't what's being perceived that's not what I mean by
1:24:02
this so what is this it's nothing appearing as a [Music]
1:24:08
room but what you're pointing to is beyond perception no it includes perception it includes
1:24:15
everything so nothing is appearing as a room but it's not the appearance of the
1:24:21
room that's this it's nothing rooming that's what I mean by
1:24:27
this when I'm thinking um one of my thoughts was I
1:24:34
wonder when Jim's coming back yeah H do I want more
1:24:42
torture do I want more company this is like company of
1:24:51
Madness Insanity yeah and
1:24:58
but that projection into the F like when it's just what happened makes no difference there's no separation there's
1:25:04
nothing toine there's nothing lost you've always been touched by this message that's fun
1:25:12
yeah sorry when you feel separate nope it's not a feeling there's separation yeah it's
1:25:20
impossible to see that this is complete Perfection oh totally because I don't I've never seen that this is complete
1:25:26
Perfection right yeah but is the reason for that because there's this notion
1:25:31
that there's something else out there well that's an effect of Separation no that it's because everything is
1:25:37
objectified everything's separate so there's this and there's something
1:25:43
else right it seems like what you're doing is
1:25:50
similar to like a Zen Coan yeah I'm just a Zen Coan
1:25:57
but I think they had intention there was intention to his Zen Con well it seems like there's an
1:26:03
intention yeah there isn't but there isn't anywhere that's just a dream that
1:26:09
there's intention which comes out of need the need for this to become something other than what it is already
1:26:15
and this is like I I mean you might not have heard it but I said this is heaven if this is heaven already not any sort
1:26:22
of fancy Heaven obviously it's a really cool place um um what's the what would the purpose
1:26:29
of intention be if it's free
1:26:37
already what's the need of intention
1:26:43
um it would be an outgrowth of Compassion maybe but if it's free already what would the purpose of
1:26:49
compassion be because I don't see it need to see it no well you never
1:26:55
will that's how it hides that's how it hides I know but you're helping me I am certainly not helping you I understand
1:27:02
and I'm not being I'm not being um LAX of days ago about it but I understand there's a sense of
1:27:09
being helped but you aren't being helped it has nothing to do with intention right has nothing to do with you
1:27:14
becoming something if there is let's call it help it's an undermining of the
1:27:20
sense of separation and no one can do that it has nothing in a sense you could say it has nothing to do with what's
1:27:27
happening here this this happening is an
1:27:35
excuse you mentioned last night um everything is love that everything is
1:27:40
happening in love a so sweet isn't that great um and I feel like when you were
1:27:47
talking earlier about like this glass wall and I feel like the individual me is like o I love a loving wall
1:27:54
yeah I know that's not the love I'm talking about everything is in love and I'm wondering like how do I get out of
1:28:01
all these kind oh you don't it doesn't make any difference the individual thinks it all makes a difference yeah I
1:28:07
just feel like that work it doesn't make a difference everything is the absolute
1:28:14
or nothing being whatever is appearing it's not about what's
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happening it's that it it's not separate I doesn't matter what happens there
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isn't actually anything happening as everything is already the that or the absolute everything is
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already nothing everything this is all nothing there is nothing actually happening it's just nothing appearing to
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happen seeming to happen so it has no
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value I'll never know this love no no it's unknowable everything we're talking
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about is unknowable really it's a dangerous word dangerous yeah unknowable no I feel
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like people say things like God is love love is God you know it's just so that's
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true though yeah I feel like I I need to but that's still that's still in the
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story the love of God is still in the
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story how about coffee and tea and
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